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Zathras

Have you thought of setting up an online personality test to take someone's LEO inventory? These personality tests seem to be everywhere, and I think you might get a pretty solid response, as well as some interesting data, by doing so.

Jonathon York

I have thought of that, and the second and third parts of the inventory can translate relatively easily to one. The crucial first instrument, however, does not translate easily. Unless I can turn the first instrument into a scannable (e.g. Scantron) response instrument, I won't be able to use it.

Zathras

Is it possible to determine, with some massaged metrics, by setting it up similar to Meyer-Briggs? You can have ~40 word pairs, where each choice would count as a point towards L, E, or O, and just have them pick which they prefer.

Jonathon York

That's what the second instrument does. Brian Rogers built a version of it in...I think it was VB, but it might have been Java--It's been too long, I can't remember. I haven't uploaded it because it's not currently attached to a recording instrument.

Using a Myers/Briggs style personality profile inventory is fine, provided you're not looking for negatives or ambivalences. Discounting negatives and ambivalences directly impacts the results.

I may have to design an inventory that collects positives, negatives, and neutrals in fully separate instruments. However, there are two immediately appearent problems: low efficiency and the futility effect on the test subject.

JimDesu

Once I shake free some spare cycles I can work on learning enough for a webby version. (Plus the aforementioned phrase collector -- but need the time.)

eowyn

Can't tell you how glad I am to see that you're posting again. This blog is the only reason I've actually been looking forward to the election.
Ready to be a guinea pig when/if volunteers are needed to test the system.

e.

Roger

I would really like to help out as well! I remember having an idea using a training system to generate the phrase dictionaries from source texts. Let me know, I would love to help.

JimDesu

Roger -- I was thinking of more of a quick & dirty hashmap based whole-word suffix-histogram tree, to extract phrases, since Jonathon's algorithm is incidence-based. I suspect a Bayesian setup to be slight overkill. Contact me offline?

JimDesu

I've been thinking: if the inventory measuring attraction/antipathy to terms already takes stock of one's interpretive frame, doesn't this suffice? The lens affect may very well be true, aka "Moderates are people who think just like I do!", but I'm supposing that the actuality of how an individual is thinking trumps where they think they sit.

Jonathon York

One's interpretive framework is not necessarily established by his own set of preferences. An individual's interpretive framework may actually originate outside himself.

The "Just like Me" perception of moderation does not always hold, especially in communities and among individuals who perceive themselves at variance from moderation.
While I do find (at least anectodally) that raw LEO score does appear a reasonable indicator of where an individual is likely to throw his support, how the subject views himself and others with whom he does not agree appears to be a function of his position within an ideological lens. Hence some moderate establishmentarians will perceive some moderate libertarians (but not all) as anarchists, and a moderate libertarian in an overall establishmentarian community will not only be perceived by others in the community as anarchist, but will also perceive himself more extreme than he actually is, thus misidentifiying his own preference, as in the case I identified in the post above. One advantage of identifying the lens effect is that one is able to predict how members of other ideological camps will be criticized by the observer looking through the lens of his own community.

JimDesu

Ok, that makes sense, but I suspect it runs the risk of veering far enough into sociology as to risk expanding the LEO thesis beyond what can be shown empirically, given an as of yet lack of general acceptance. I'm no academic and have no understanding of how these things work, but it seems to me that this is a cart best put on behind the general LEO horse, perhaps as a "things yet to be accounted for" caveat. Unless academia prefers their results to spring forth fully formed like Minerva... marketing is a strange beast.

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